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mandy86's picture

My youngest rat, Bob, has a behavioral issue. He bites. The first time I'd gotten through eating and wiped my eye, he nipped my eyelid. It wasn't bad and I understood why that happened. But just a few minutes ago he bit me again. But this time there was no food involved. I was totally still and quiet, so I know I didn't do anything to scare him. I love him to death and he's a good boy, but I have a three year old and cannot risk having a pet of this nature running around. I'd like to try all I can before I have to get rid of him, I want that to be my very last option. If anyone has some behavior modification/traning tips, I'd greatly appreciate it.

mandy86's picture

Ah.

Thanks, that is useful information. I can use that as a detourant if he does try to bite again. I took him out of the group and put him in a seperate cage with another guy. He seems happier and hasn't bitten me again.

Digital_Angel's picture

how old is he

Age has a lot to do with behavior. Biting in rats is genetic and is passed on from parent to offspring. The older a rat is the more aggressive they can become. Personally i use an aggression scale to rate a rat at certain ages, 8 weeks, 4 months and 6 months and 18 months.

The scale ranges from 1 ,being best to 5, being worst. i never breed rats higher than a 2 on the scale. The problem with rats is telling if a bite is from true aggressive tendencies or a mistake. to many things can cause a rat to mistakenly nip.

A few questions.

1. Do you feed your rat through the bars of its cage at any time?
2. Did you breed the rat in question and if so did either parent nip?
3. Does the rat in question put up a fuss when you take him from his cage?
4. is the rat housed with more nultiple males?

I ask these questions because they will help determine if the rat truely is agressive.

First if your feed your rat through the bars of its cage at any time, Stop! This is a big no no as it will condition your rat to expect food every time the cage is opened and can translate out to when you are holding him and his face is approached. Rats have very poor eye sight. they live by their sense of smell and even if you have had a meal hours before they can still smell the food. Best thing to do is wash well before handling. I will often pick up and hold some kittens if im woring on socializing a rescue rat who is not friendly. that way the rat will smell the sent of those kittens over everything else. adult rats will not work for this as their sent will denote their maturity.

If the parents of the rat are known nippers then you are fighting an uphill battle with little chance of a favorable out come.

If the rat is fussy when you remove him from his cage then all that is needed is a lot of TLC. be social with him as much as you possable can. one trick to quickly build trust is to allow him to enter his cage from your hand under his own power. let him hop off your hand rather than placing him back in the cage.

Please note also that the rat is just like us he will not always show how he is feeling.

Another thing i have noticed is with males in particular. housing several males together can cause issues as they mature. The rats jokey for position of dominance and the developing pecking order can cause a rat to be more aggresive and more easily irritated.

I found this out the hard way recently when i built a very large cage that houses ten males of various ages upto 18 months of age. Everything was great for the first few weeks but as the males matured things started to get rough. Eventually everything worked out and everyone gets along just fine. it just had to run its course.

In short stress can cause a rat to act worse than they normally would. look for any possible stress that may be causeing this.

there are no real ways to train a rat not to bite, just loads of TLC and being social with the rat in question. I will often give a lite tap on the nose of my kittens when the go through their tasting everyhing stage and the quickly get the idea that it's not ok to nip.

Hope this helps.....

BitsOfMaineRattery's picture

Biters..

You've really got all the information you need here, thank goodness for helpful folks! I just wanted to try to make one more useful note. One of my favorite old studs had a biting problem, and he had good reasons for it. One of the reasons was genetics and his kits sometimes were quick to nip. I learned from watching them and reading that to stop nipping the other rat squeaks at the aggressor and ends the behavior. I also heard that if you make squeaky kissing sounds at your rat it is an aggressive act and I've seen for sure that this is true when I forget or I have a visitor and they make squeaky kisses every rat hits the deck! So now whenever someone even nibbles the wrong way they get a quick "squeaky kiss" from me and they jump back with concern, eager to not to that again.

Missie
http://www.bitsofmainerattery.com

mandy86's picture

Thanks.

That is a great deal of information and I do appreciate it. I do not feed them through the bars at all. I even click when I give them treats so they know only when they hear that sound they are getting treats. I did not breed him personally and have no idea of his parentage/lineage. He was an adoptee from a pet store I was working at, like all three of my boys. He is approximately eight months. And yes, he does kind of fidget and fight me when I take him out. Usually I just leave the door open and he comes out on his own. He has been with his two "brothers" the entire time I've had him. He has become more aggressive with the two cagemates, even the dominant. I spend time with them all together as well as individually. I actually try to spend more time with him since he is so skittish. He doesn't seem trusting. Would housing him by himself and spending more time with him help issues? The other two have never had problems and get along beautifully. Could it just be that he's the odd man out?

Digital_Angel's picture

mmmmmm

Well housing a rat alone is not a real good idea they are so social it usually causes more issues. Sinse the three males are brothers you can prolly rule out a genetic disposition to agreession. They would have a very strong chance of having the same tendencies. being the alpha male of your group means he feel is and feels in charge of things most of the time. so it will take a bit longer to get him to the social level you want. all you can do is work with him extra extra hard. I try to be as consistant as i can doing the same thing each time i work with a rat. The Repetition helps condtion the responces you want. Also having a nice quiet place with no distractions will help.

Don't worry Though I have seen rescue rats go from totally non-social, extreme biters to completely lovable friends. It just takes time and effort.

oh. Also what size cage are the tree housed in. To small of a cage can pose a real problem.

mandy86's picture

They aren't truly brothers,

They aren't truly brothers, I'm not sure if they are related at all. I just say that cause they live together now. And the three were in a rat highrise from Martin's Cages.
http://martinscages.com/images/full/h-600hr.jpg
I removed him from that cage and put him in a super pet my first home for rats, along with a new cagemate, a young male I named Brody. He has a submissive personality. So hopefully this well help. They get along great so far. So he isn't by himself. I have two pairs housed seperately. And he really seems to have cheered up a great deal. Maybe he was stressed out from being the third wheel?

Digital_Angel's picture

I would say

your most likely right about that. Prolly a combination of too many rats in to small of an area. I have found that the more rats you house together the longer it takes for things to settle down and it won't start settling down until all for the rats in qurstion are fully matured.

well hopefully things will progress fast and let you center are just having fun with your pals.

I'm in a bit of a pinch myself. I have to retire a cage and construct a new one, but it's a task i'm feeling rather lazey about undertaking. LOL! My primary females are housed in a cage that is old and a bit small for their numbers. It's a 26 gallon tank with a topper. the overall size is about 70 gallons worth of space. I've figured out a new type of design to help with the messiness most tank toppers create and will be increasing the overall size to about 100 gallons.

I'll prolly start on it this week, but i'm not looking forward to it. LOL!

Good luck with your endeavors

mandy86's picture

thanks.

Well I've got him in a seperate cage with a buddy. He's probably about a month old. He's basically the size of a large mouse or a fully grown bear hamster lol. THey are getting along great. Bob already seems to have calmed down. So I guess I will just get another big cage for those two or try to get a huge cage and house all four together. Not sure what to do, but can't do much right now as I am in between jobs :/